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Did education requirements hurt our profession?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ian Smith Sep 14. 24 Replies

Hello, I'm a new member but I've been a surveyor for almost 22 years now, about 10 years ago the land surveying company I worked for went out of business when the market crash happened which forced…Read more →

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Ian Smith replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"We could do with some of that South Carolina good sense in the UK. The fact is, even engineers don't actually require a qualification here. I've known a good number of engineers who have nothing more than experience behind them. Some have…"
Sep 14
CHARLIE B. AYCOCK, III replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"Wow, I thought we had problems here. I worked for a large construction company in the 70's for a couple of years. I think that was the only company that ever gave me a raise I didn't ask for. I was on the payroll as an engineer but as you…"
Sep 12
Ian Smith replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"That's the point. There aren't any. Anyone can call themselves a land surveyor in the UK. No minimum qualification, no mandatory system of registration and/or certification."
Sep 11
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Did education requirements hurt our profession?

Hello, I'm a new member but I've been a surveyor for almost 22 years now, about 10 years ago the land surveying company I worked for went out of business when the market crash happened which forced me to find employment in the construction industry and not for a registered surveyor... I found out quickly the differences were roughly my salary doubled and my work load was about the same... over the past 10 years I've watched closely the base salary of professional surveyors stay stagnant while…See More
Sep 10
Kory J Allred replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"Ian, can you please briefly outline or send a link to the UK educational requirements, if those are readily available. Thanks."
Sep 10
Ian Smith replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"People are walking around and supposedly surveying without a clue yes but who's letting it happen? I used to enjoy doing things to "long way" back in the 80's but I wouldn't swap my robotic total station, GNSS receiver and…"
Sep 10
Ian Smith replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"Education? No. The biggest factor that continues to hurt our profession is the industry wide failure to differentiate between engineering surveyors and engineers. Combined this with a lack of any statutory regulation (RICS is now largely irrelevant)…"
Sep 10
CHARLIE B. AYCOCK, III replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"Somebody most of us know once said, "we have raised a generation of button pushers". Technology is a tool, it dosen't replace knowledge. People are doing things with computers that have no clue what they are doing."
Sep 1
stewart replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"Technology killed the need for educated "operators". In my earlier days, all calculations had to be done on flattened tree bark (paper). Now you just need the absolute basic, and which button does what."
Sep 1
Jeffrey A. Koester replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"I am not confusing putting stakes in the ground with surveying... there is a lot more to construction surveying than just simply putting stakes in the ground, and its funny you say that because most of the "Surveyors" today in the land…"
Aug 1
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Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion was featured

Did education requirements hurt our profession?

Hello, I'm a new member but I've been a surveyor for almost 22 years now, about 10 years ago the land surveying company I worked for went out of business when the market crash happened which forced me to find employment in the construction industry and not for a registered surveyor... I found out quickly the differences were roughly my salary doubled and my work load was about the same... over the past 10 years I've watched closely the base salary of professional surveyors stay stagnant while…See More
Aug 1
Kevin D. Allen replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"Kevin,   It wasn't my intention to get into a heated argument - well maybe a warm one HA.. - After being in this business for over 30 years it begins or began to get more than a bit irritating to hear everyone that could turn an angle…"
Aug 1
Jeffrey A. Koester replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"No, that's my point exactly... I don't want to just be a party chief anymore but with the educational requirements for me moving up Is not an option... there use to be a career path for people like myself but it's not there anymore so…"
Aug 1
Kevin D. Allen replied to Jeffrey A. Koester's discussion Did education requirements hurt our profession?
"We had this problem here for a few years.  Apparently we weere charging 3 times what the realtor toId the buyer and seller the cost would be.  dealt with it by telling the potential buyer that they would have problems with poachers and…"
Aug 1
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21 years in the land surveying and industrial surveying field.
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How many years have you been surveying?
21
Most comfortable with the following types of instrumentation
Total Stations, GPS, Surveying Software, Robotics, Automatic Levels, 3D scanners, GNSS, Machine Control, Other), Old school surveying

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