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Just get a licenced surveyor, or the US equivalent. Don't play games with the boundaries, they are someone else's corners as well.
The points about GPS are moot. He wants to find where the monuments are, not refer them to a geodetic datum. We could sit here all day and debate the efficiency and accuracy of handheld and RTK GPS and its applications to cadastral work, and the usefulness of all that in regards to Billy's request but it's redundant.
Hire a professional, then let that professional take liability for any error and get your guarantee that your property has been surveyed and the reinstatement carried out properly.
GPS is here to stay & it has become a basic tool of our profession. We should understand it & take advantage of it's uses.
It's not just about finding corners as you can see I found 3 4 if U count the 1 out of the image. all set by some PLS. now back when land was selling for $1 even $10 an acre who cares but now at $1 even $10 a sq. ft everybody cares.
Doesn't GPS stand for GET IT SURVEYED ( it should)
Oh come on now anyone who has ever roamed around in the woods looking for property corners knows that you can find all matter of thing that might appear to the uninformed as a property corner. So get a pro out there & at least have a fighting chance of relying on the info he can produce
In regard to GPS. I would steer clear of any surveyor that tells you that GPS is not a great surveying tool but it does not change boundary law or the principles of Land Surveying. The biggest value of GPS is that it facilitates tieing property lines to a geodetic datum which greatly helps retracement when monuments are lost. I think all current & future boundary control should be tied to a geodetic datum.
Please forgive me for getting on the "soap box" but I hope this has helped you understand the animal you are dealing with.
Yes, GPS is a great surveying tool, bur the World Co-ordinate system has changed several times in the last several years by votes of the International Geophysical Union....I have been completely "bumfoozled by trying to find old USC&GS discs and finding that the US system set in the 1920's was not a "World System", and also that there have been adjustments to the World system since 1990 that have changed the co-ordinates of a point many times...my personal experience has shown that these changes in the 1990's until today have changed some of my corners by as much as 130.00 feet, certainly not enough to solve any legal problems. Yes, GPS is great for getting "close" but it still does not meet the rules of evidence standards which still are very much concerned with the relationship of parcels to each other, not to a world co-ordinate system.
Fortunately your boundary corners are steel,but in our country they are boundary stones.
Then any owner can keep dead measurements of the boundary marker for him but those are not leagal evidence when the point is in conflict.
Hi.
I'm a party chief and I look for a lot of corners. Your regular consumer GPS will probably be next to useless, especially if its in a hardwood forest. Our GPS that surveyors use can get to like 1 hundredth of a foot....but they cost something like 10k, and even in forests (which is what I'm imagining your property to be like) they can be useless to us.
Looking for a property corner without a metal detector is not going to be fun. If my boss asked me to survey a property like yours without a detector, I would ask if he is mad. Unfortunately, those cost somewhere around 400 used and 700 new. You might be better off financially speaking just hiring a crew to come out. About the rangefinders. I don't have a clue how accurate they are. But I think if you are just going to wing it DIY style. Take a shovel because they are probably not plumb with the ground but a few inches to a few feet underground (I am imagining soft dirt in florida), take a 100' tape, and mb a civilian metal detector will help, though honestly I don't know. Last but not least, take your head.
Look for signs someone put something somewhere. Do you have fences? Chances are if you have a property fence the corner will not be far off from the fence corner. Do you see a pile of rocks? An old wooden stake with deteriorated faded flagging attached to it? These are all clues. Also, use your tape to pace yourself out. How many paces does it take for you to walk 100 feet? I got a special way I walk to where I make myself pace 40 paces so its easy to divide and multiply.
Honestly, finding the corners is the hardest part of surveying. And a property like what you describe could take a guy a good chunk of the day just spent looking for them.
Mr. Sharpstick,
The relationship of your property corners to the abuttors property (your neighbors) is of critical and legal importance. The relationship of your property corners to a World Co-ordinate system is of no legal importance....hence GPS may please you but it will not tell you if the iron pins, etc. you find are your legal corners.
Sooooo...you need a surveyor, not only to find the corners, but to tell you if they are where they should be according to your and your abuttors deeds. Costs money...yes, but a lawsuit in which you lose is much more expensive!!
David C. Garcelon