I want to see how you guys and gals are locating your old concrete right-of-way monuments in your areas. Here in Arkansas I've been told by several older surveyors that you should not locate the center of the monument. When they set the old 4x4 concrete monuments they set them as best they could with the monument totally inside the right-of-way, so to get the most accurate position you should locate the outsideĀ edge of the right-of-way monument. I've talked to surveyors in their 40s and younger and they have never heard of this. Let me know what you've been taught.
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Always back center or back corner. Ā This from my old boss, a WWII combat engineer and Korea Vet. Ā He was a lead engineer on the Indiana Toll Road when it was built. Ā He and two other old timers wrote the book on right-of-way procedures back then. Ā The point was that the monument was entirely on state highway property so the adjoining land owner couldn't/shouldn't mess with it
I agree with Charlie here. Ā Locate your centerline monuments and re-create the alignments and offsets. Ā I've found many, many right-of-way legal descriptions that recite station and offset in lieu of bearing/distance calls. Ā In these cases the r/w document has no mention of a monument. Ā By rules of construction then the mathematicallyĀ re-created point would control over an un-called monument.
James,
I was taught the same thing in Louisiana. Ā For reference, I am 37 years old.
I think it would depend on individual State law but unless language to the contrary is in the State statutes or the HWY plans, I would treat them the same as any other monument.
I recall back in the 70's, a company I worked for did a survey adjoining a interstate HWY. The crew located the HWY R/W as monumented by the State with official concrete monuments and a plat was generated. An issue developed with the survey as the monuments did not agree with the plans in the State archives. It was ruled that the plans governed. That is contrary to every rule of reconstruction I ever read but what do you expect when you oppose the State, the court is a State court & the judges salary is paid by the State? You can rest assured that the judge knows who he works for. IMHO we are in sad need of some serious tort reform.
When you measure between the monuments, does the measurement match the R/W of the road? When a road has a specific R/W, you can be sure the government is going to claim that R/W somewhere. I would normally accept the State R/W monuments as set by the State DOT but it seems that doesn't work in every case.
Ā Hi James, That why i gave you those links,as you can read Ark Highway Dept. does not set them anymore. I have also read somewhere they were set completely in the ROW ,not just that State, because of land owners . Jason also has a point as to they are just markers and are not Monuments,and they are just to help in locating the ROW. Sometimes you have only the center line and the Stations to determineĀ correct ROW locations,and that is the best controls to go by,in a land surveying application,if the controlling monuments are gone . I myself have also tied them,sometimes they are all that remains. I know you wanted to here others opinions,and that is fine,But read all the info I gave you links to,(manuals) etc.. and see what they say. Contact AHTD as in David Hall,and find out their positions on these old Markers, and let us know, this would be great and very educational. AHTD ,links also include's a sections on Land Surveying and their ROW.
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